the window in places like san francisco on the trolley cars, durham, eugene, oregon, columbus, hartford, athens, other cities around the country. the d.h.s., department of homeland security, and city and local and state authorities are putting money together to tape your conversations on buses. >> gretchen: why can't they put up a camera to help us if they're worried about the bus driver? >> you're right. they have cameras. now they're integrating audio. now they're integrating that it can go out on the web to a depot somewhere else, to a police facility, to someone that can listen to your conversation with your children on the bus. you're talking about school, you're talking about going to see a relative, going to see your mother, and all of that stuff becomes part of the ether. >> gretchen: i'm glad you didn't say i was talking to my husband about date night. >> i didn't say that at all. >> gretchen: that might be more private. >> it would be private, but all of that is private. so now we have a situation in this country where yes, there should be some limitations on what goes on in p